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Based on experience, bounce rate matters to some advertisers. A high bounce rate is not really favoured by advertisers as they assume that quality traffic should have low bounce rate.
You can segment your traffic though. As I just replied to Jay. You can show that the sites average bounce = X. Entrecard is X amount of traffic and it's bounce is X...

Like I'd rather see your site with 10,000 uniques a month and a 55% bounce rate with an additional 2,000 EC at 90% bounce then JUST the 10,000 at 55%.
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I'm very interested in the comments about StumbleUpon.

I DO agree that SU is a great source of traffic. However, what's the bounce rate you get from SU? How many comments have you got from SU?

On my site, Entrecard generates a higher bounce rate than SU, but not by much. However, Entrecard generates a lot more comments (hundreds), whereas SU has generated maybe two or three, tops.

SU is good, but how many of those people actually interact with your site?
I think your experience is different then the majority because from your posts I've read that you actually actively comment on blogs that you find and enjoyed reading. That is a huge factor in differentiating yourself from a typical dropper who is only after credits...
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The real question isn't putting up the Entrecard widget. I think there is no harm and definite benefit to that.

The real question is spending an hour a day dropping cards. I think the people that focus their lives around Entrecard are crazy and will never really build a large audience so long as they spend so much time in one system.
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Think of it this way. If you got 1,000 people together to create a club where everyone will visit the sites of everyone else, you will never grow beyond 1,000 readers unless you break out of that group. The number of really active people on Entrecard is probably less than 1,000. I know they have over 5,000 sites, but if you look, the vast majority of them just run the widget and are not very active.
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The real question isn't putting up the Entrecard widget. I think there is no harm and definite benefit to that.

The real question is spending an hour a day dropping cards. I think the people that focus their lives around Entrecard are crazy and will never really build a large audience so long as they spend so much time in one system.
If you want credits it's best to a) sell something or b) buy them at $5 for 1000. I'd rather spend $5 to get 1000 then 3 1/3 days dropping 300!
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I'm very interested in the comments about StumbleUpon.

I DO agree that SU is a great source of traffic. However, what's the bounce rate you get from SU? How many comments have you got from SU?

On my site, Entrecard generates a higher bounce rate than SU, but not by much. However, Entrecard generates a lot more comments (hundreds), whereas SU has generated maybe two or three, tops.

SU is good, but how many of those people actually interact with your site?
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Am I missing the point here or something? Are these people paying off their mortages by dropping? Personally I wouldn't waste the time otherwise.
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I think people just like being popular on Entrecard because it is at least something they can point to, to show the success of their blog.

They are as popular as someone who buys free drinks for everyone. When the money stops flowing, the friends disappear.
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I think you just hit the nail on the head there, Everywhere.
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I'm not saying ditch Entrecard, just don't get disillusioned at how big you can get using that as your primary traffic generator.
On my site, Entrecard is a distant second place to StumbleUpon. Just so you know that if I defend Entrecard, it's not to make myself feel better about it being my first and only source of traffic. It's not. It does bring a fair bit, but SU brings more. I was just curious as to why it's Entrecard that gets criticised for poor quality visits when I've had far more comments that way than via SU.

In the case of my site, it doesn't matter which metrics you use, SU has generated lots of traffic but virtually no comments. Entrecard has generated a lot of traffic too, and admittedly a lot of it is the same people going round and round again, but Entrecard has brought me some regular readers and commenters.

This is actually a very good point that I realised a day or two ago. The concept of dropping your card is good, but why would you drop your card on the same sites, over and over again? I've touched on this elsewhere (in the Entrecard forums and in a couple of blog posts) - how do people have time to drop cards but they don't have time to update their blogs? What if we only dropped cards when we updated, to tell people there's something new to read? Then again, isn't that the point of subscribing to a site - to know when it is updated?

Sure, you earn credits, and you can use those for advertising... but dropping cards is a very laborious task. I think I've been dropping an average of around 150 cards every day since December 4th, and to be honest, I feel like I've burned out. That isn't limited to Entrecard - I've lost interest in a lot of online things recently. So, my time online needs to be spent on things that I enjoy doing - reading and commenting on other blogs is a good example. Dropping cards, well... I hate to say it, but it just isn't fun - even if you do read and comment on many of the blogs you're visiting.

For the last couple of days my drops are way down, and I do still have readers and commenters. I also had lots of drops on my site today because of a few ads I placed. I have another "big ad day" coming up this weekend but after that I'm all out of ads. My wife and I pooled our credits - we have almost 12,000 of them. And we've sold thousands of credits already. That total is a lot higher than I thought it would be.

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I think your experience is different then the majority because from your posts I've read that you actually actively comment on blogs that you find and enjoyed reading. That is a huge factor in differentiating yourself from a typical dropper who is only after credits...
If that's true - why am I in a minority of people who isn't in this for the credits? I thought the point of Entrecard was to get a new blog noticed, and to find other blogs you haven't seen before. For me, much of the problem lies with the fact that I can only clear out my drops inbox by reciprocating, but some sites I actually don't want to drop on. Also, while I have some sites bookmarked so I can drop on them quickly, I try to keep this in sync with the sites I subscribe to in Google Reader, and you can only do that manually.

Having said all of this, I am very glad I started using Entrecard as it has helped my site get off the starting blocks. The problem now is that the time and effort involved to keep up with it is simply too high for me to do much with it at the moment.
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